Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
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Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
I was reading the threads on Dyna Beads. Ride-On also acts as a balancer too and I have used it for years in the MC tires. Just wondered if anyone here ever used Ride-On in their CT and what were the results?
Thanks....
Thanks....
RuffDog- Number of posts : 6
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Location : Jacksonville FL
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Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
RuffDog wrote:I was reading the threads on Dyna Beads. Ride-On also acts as a balancer too and I have used it for years in the MC tires. Just wondered if anyone here ever used Ride-On in their CT and what were the results?
Thanks....
Never heard of the stuff! But I don't see why not?
......................bobby
twin1300- Admin
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Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
Some guys in our club like it. Only thing I haven't heard is what it's like after being in there over a couple years.
quadancer- Number of posts : 1245
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Location : Acworth, Ga.
Registration date : 2010-05-02
Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
I have heard of it, but dont know anything about it.
If its like slime, I sure as heck wont use it.
If its like slime, I sure as heck wont use it.
wayne- Number of posts : 623
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Location : Roseburg OR.
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Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
Not like Slime at all. Slime is DEFINITELY NOT RECOMMENDED for bike tires by ANY tire guy out there. RideOn washes out with water and can be patched. Their website is pretty explanatory.
quadancer- Number of posts : 1245
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Location : Acworth, Ga.
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Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
"Only thing I haven't heard is what it's like after being in there over a couple years."
Ride-On will get crusty and hard over time. Had a hell of a time cleaning my rims after using Ride-On with every MC tire change and not cleaning out the rim. I think it was 3 tire changes. It took acetone and a scotch brite pad on a drill to get it shiny again. But the stuff does work well. Sealed a nail hole at 1k and it held up for another 12k. Just wanted to see if there was any advantage balancing wise between the two products.
Ride-On will get crusty and hard over time. Had a hell of a time cleaning my rims after using Ride-On with every MC tire change and not cleaning out the rim. I think it was 3 tire changes. It took acetone and a scotch brite pad on a drill to get it shiny again. But the stuff does work well. Sealed a nail hole at 1k and it held up for another 12k. Just wanted to see if there was any advantage balancing wise between the two products.
RuffDog- Number of posts : 6
Age : 69
Location : Jacksonville FL
Registration date : 2010-09-21
Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
They both work under the same principle...
Ride-On gives you a few other pluses..
BTW ~ Motorcycle consumer news said Dyna Beads DO NOT WORK...
I have been using Ride-On since 2002 that's 180K and still counting...
Highbinder & I use to be dealers .. (stopped due to a move)
Ride-On will NOT corrode,or clog the valve steam,It's water soluble,biodegradable..
Keeps the tire cool,and extends the tire life..
We have a piece of steel wool in a jar with Ride-On and it's NOT rusty !! That's very impressive..
It can get a little crusty on the outer edge, due to it's environment changes from adding air...
I have not had that problem...
It will balance the tire..
But I balance my tires first , then add RO...
And in that 180 K .. I have not had a flat !!! And yes I am a DS rider... I use Ride-On in the front tire and my rears...
Plus in all our vehicles..
I love the stuff....
Ride-On gives you a few other pluses..
BTW ~ Motorcycle consumer news said Dyna Beads DO NOT WORK...
I have been using Ride-On since 2002 that's 180K and still counting...
Highbinder & I use to be dealers .. (stopped due to a move)
Ride-On will NOT corrode,or clog the valve steam,It's water soluble,biodegradable..
Keeps the tire cool,and extends the tire life..
We have a piece of steel wool in a jar with Ride-On and it's NOT rusty !! That's very impressive..
It can get a little crusty on the outer edge, due to it's environment changes from adding air...
I have not had that problem...
It will balance the tire..
But I balance my tires first , then add RO...
And in that 180 K .. I have not had a flat !!! And yes I am a DS rider... I use Ride-On in the front tire and my rears...
Plus in all our vehicles..
I love the stuff....
LadyDraco- Number of posts : 240
Location : Bastian ,VA . Some of the best roads in da East !!
Registration date : 2010-09-14
Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
Now I know to stay away from Motorcycle Consumer News, since they don't even have sense enough to check their facts before printing articles!
Dyna beads work quite well, as proven when I removed 4oz. of tire weights and had to replace with 3oz. of the beads that made it smooth as butter. I've used them in 4 tires now with equal results.
It is true that often you can run a tire without balancing on a bike, but it's a crapshoot. The surefire test is 90+mph runs; if your tire is even slightly off balance, that will show it.
I'm not saying beads are better than RideOn, but I AM saying that they work and work well. Those guys must be morons, or their test was skewed...or it was merely an anecdote from "brologic". We get enough of that over DS tires.
Dyna beads work quite well, as proven when I removed 4oz. of tire weights and had to replace with 3oz. of the beads that made it smooth as butter. I've used them in 4 tires now with equal results.
It is true that often you can run a tire without balancing on a bike, but it's a crapshoot. The surefire test is 90+mph runs; if your tire is even slightly off balance, that will show it.
I'm not saying beads are better than RideOn, but I AM saying that they work and work well. Those guys must be morons, or their test was skewed...or it was merely an anecdote from "brologic". We get enough of that over DS tires.
quadancer- Number of posts : 1245
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Location : Acworth, Ga.
Registration date : 2010-05-02
Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
First I'm not saying that they are wrong.. I'm just saying...
Also Highbinder has used Dyna beads.. And he said his bike seamed smoother...
So it's like anything in life use what your happy with... :queen:
MCN.. Did extensive testing with Dyna beads...
On a high speed balancer and on the bikes & Cars..
Here is what they wrote....
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Motorcycle Consumer News evaluated the Dyna Beads on a reader’s suggestion back in Oct. of 06. Although the tiny white ceramic beads have apparently found favor with long-haul truckers, we tested them on a Honda 599. Using a shop’s spin balancer, we checked the bike’s rear wheel, which had 1.6 oz. of balance weights in place. The balancer agreed with amount and location of the weights. After installing the specified 2 oz.’s of beads in the rear tire and then removing the rim weights, the balancer found an out of balance condition. The test was repeated five times and the balancer continued to call for the replacement of the 1.6 oz. weights in the same location. Over the road testing was next. Without the rim weights, the rear wheel produced noticeable vibration and the installation of the beads gave a barely perceptible improvement. Also, the weight of the beads added so close to the tire tread gave a noticeable increase in gyro stability, making the steering heavier. We also tried them on a car and were disappointed. Bottom line…Save your money for a proper spin balance.
Also Highbinder has used Dyna beads.. And he said his bike seamed smoother...
So it's like anything in life use what your happy with... :queen:
MCN.. Did extensive testing with Dyna beads...
On a high speed balancer and on the bikes & Cars..
Here is what they wrote....
{Quote}
Motorcycle Consumer News evaluated the Dyna Beads on a reader’s suggestion back in Oct. of 06. Although the tiny white ceramic beads have apparently found favor with long-haul truckers, we tested them on a Honda 599. Using a shop’s spin balancer, we checked the bike’s rear wheel, which had 1.6 oz. of balance weights in place. The balancer agreed with amount and location of the weights. After installing the specified 2 oz.’s of beads in the rear tire and then removing the rim weights, the balancer found an out of balance condition. The test was repeated five times and the balancer continued to call for the replacement of the 1.6 oz. weights in the same location. Over the road testing was next. Without the rim weights, the rear wheel produced noticeable vibration and the installation of the beads gave a barely perceptible improvement. Also, the weight of the beads added so close to the tire tread gave a noticeable increase in gyro stability, making the steering heavier. We also tried them on a car and were disappointed. Bottom line…Save your money for a proper spin balance.
LadyDraco- Number of posts : 240
Location : Bastian ,VA . Some of the best roads in da East !!
Registration date : 2010-09-14
Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
Thanks for the comparison ideas. Think ill go with ride on in my CT.
RuffDog- Number of posts : 6
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Location : Jacksonville FL
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Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
And there is your problem. Dyna beads will not work as they are supposed to on a spin balancer, which does not allow the wheel to fluctuate the way an unbalanced wheel will on the road. I've read it in several places that that was the problem with testing on them. One thing is absolutely certain, and that's what I said earlier: I took a FOUR OUNCE set of weights off the wheel and put in just 3 oz. of beads, ran it up to about 95 mph and it was absolutely smooth as it could be. There is NO WAY that I could have even approached that speed without major oscillations happening being that far out of balance.
If I had not already installed dynabeads, I'd have gone for the RideOn. I looked at reviews and the website descriptions of it to find that it works exactly the same as the beads, only the beads of course won't seal a leak. A friend did the same test (speed) with RideOn and was equally impressed with the balancing. I may still get some later; it looks like a good product.
I feel like the thing they said about gyro stability is bunk; they just were biased against the beads. None of my friends with them in bike tires have noticed anything and they do use them on the racing circuit - I'd be sure that those guys would rail against them if they gave any unfavorable handling characteristics.
If I had not already installed dynabeads, I'd have gone for the RideOn. I looked at reviews and the website descriptions of it to find that it works exactly the same as the beads, only the beads of course won't seal a leak. A friend did the same test (speed) with RideOn and was equally impressed with the balancing. I may still get some later; it looks like a good product.
I feel like the thing they said about gyro stability is bunk; they just were biased against the beads. None of my friends with them in bike tires have noticed anything and they do use them on the racing circuit - I'd be sure that those guys would rail against them if they gave any unfavorable handling characteristics.
quadancer- Number of posts : 1245
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Location : Acworth, Ga.
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Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
Amazing that people will not take the word of knowledgeable people at a bike mag, and will take the word of someone they don't know, just because it's on the internet.
Putting anything in a tire used on a racetrack. You're kidding, right?
Putting anything in a tire used on a racetrack. You're kidding, right?
re ride on sealant verses dynabeads
I think you will find most people here tend to listen to people that actually have experience with what they are talking about and also draw from their own experiences rather than go with knowledegable people that draw opinions with no personal experience with most things they have opinions on ,most still think the ct is a bad ideal.Not much would ever be accomplished if all we ever did was take for granit what knowledegable people told us and never questioned it or thought for ourselves.I for one will never have that problem.
Larry Simpson- Number of posts : 1007
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Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
Exactly. And if you'd gone by pure instructions, your viagra would be used for heart conditions and WD40 for removing water from electrical components.
So who is the ignorant one, those who will either experiment or use proven results of experiments or those who merely follow company lines? Were it always so, dyna beads and RideOn wouldn't have been invented. And you can't argue with results. I won't.
Incidentally, a local MC tire installer won't put dyna beads in any tires because of how they won't balance on his machine. But he's also never put them in his own bike and taken it for a ride; that would make him a believer, but ignorance keeps him from finding out.
Try to go over 100mph on an offbalanced tire. Even ONE OUNCE will give you the "palsy", unless you have some lucky oscillation cancelling it out.
Again: I put 3 oz. of beads in a tire that had FOUR OZ. of lead weights from a spin balancer. It is smoother than the spin balance.
Just how in the hell is that WRONG?
So who is the ignorant one, those who will either experiment or use proven results of experiments or those who merely follow company lines? Were it always so, dyna beads and RideOn wouldn't have been invented. And you can't argue with results. I won't.
Incidentally, a local MC tire installer won't put dyna beads in any tires because of how they won't balance on his machine. But he's also never put them in his own bike and taken it for a ride; that would make him a believer, but ignorance keeps him from finding out.
Try to go over 100mph on an offbalanced tire. Even ONE OUNCE will give you the "palsy", unless you have some lucky oscillation cancelling it out.
Again: I put 3 oz. of beads in a tire that had FOUR OZ. of lead weights from a spin balancer. It is smoother than the spin balance.
Just how in the hell is that WRONG?
quadancer- Number of posts : 1245
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Location : Acworth, Ga.
Registration date : 2010-05-02
Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
I really enjoy this. Bring up what people in that field have done to actually test a theory against what someone on the internet posts, and the defense mechanism kicks in and they've got to question not only the experts, but anyone that might point out such facts.
I also know people that say cut off exhausts make more power than stock, even after a dynomometer shows they've lost power. "Must be an operator error", they say, or "it's just not running right today" or a dozen other things. Ain't no big thing, you do it your way, and I'll balance my own tires. BTW, my Concours goes up to 134 MPH by GPS, with my car tire, balanced with weights.
I also know people that say cut off exhausts make more power than stock, even after a dynomometer shows they've lost power. "Must be an operator error", they say, or "it's just not running right today" or a dozen other things. Ain't no big thing, you do it your way, and I'll balance my own tires. BTW, my Concours goes up to 134 MPH by GPS, with my car tire, balanced with weights.
re ride on sealant verses dynabeads
What you don't get is we are going on our own experience when we post something and the recipient of that post is expected to try it or not at their discression and draw their own conclusion.No one here is trying to force or convence anyone ,just giving our opinion again without relying on someone elses (tests).Think,the outcome of any test is dirrectly affected by the content of that test.I submit when the inniator of any test has a negative opinion of what they are testing ,your knowledegable magazine people to be exact the test results will proubably be negative.just saying
Larry Simpson- Number of posts : 1007
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Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
I don't ride on a spin balancer,
I ride on the road and Dynabeads make it ride smooth
without the vibration I had with wheel weights.
I ride on the road and Dynabeads make it ride smooth
without the vibration I had with wheel weights.
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Re: Ride-On sealent VS Dyna Beads
Larry, what you say is certainly correct, and I do so like a reasoned response. To paraphrase , "a test by someone with a desired outcome, will usually result in the outcome being what they wish." I just don't see why a mag that has a company advertising in it, would want that product to be found wanting. It would seem to be opposite of what they'd wish, that an advertised product would be found the best.
Besides, it takes me only a few minutes to balance a tire, and I enjoy getting lost in watching the tire go around on the stand. Then, I know for a fact that it's balanced and don't have to worry about it.
Getting to the theory of using round beads to balance a tire. With rotation, the beads are going to locate at the outer most point they can find, be that the lightest point or not. It could be said that this would be the most thin point of the tire, therefore the lightest, and needing the extra weight to balance the tire. Even if this would always be true, and it's not necessarily true that it is, using a pre-determined amount of weight would not always be the weight needed and almost always be too heavy or too light. It was also mentioned that some bike racers use these beads. They might put a very tiny amount in their tires for advertising purposed, but professional racers use very accurately balanced tires, by a spin balancer, not any slime or beads or any other method.
Besides, it takes me only a few minutes to balance a tire, and I enjoy getting lost in watching the tire go around on the stand. Then, I know for a fact that it's balanced and don't have to worry about it.
Getting to the theory of using round beads to balance a tire. With rotation, the beads are going to locate at the outer most point they can find, be that the lightest point or not. It could be said that this would be the most thin point of the tire, therefore the lightest, and needing the extra weight to balance the tire. Even if this would always be true, and it's not necessarily true that it is, using a pre-determined amount of weight would not always be the weight needed and almost always be too heavy or too light. It was also mentioned that some bike racers use these beads. They might put a very tiny amount in their tires for advertising purposed, but professional racers use very accurately balanced tires, by a spin balancer, not any slime or beads or any other method.
re ride on sealant verses dynabeads
Fly,I beleive the best we can do is agree to disagree.You seem to respect the opinions they print,I on the other hand respect their right to an opinion but have found their tests on some things to be bogus because they omit what to me is proubably the most important part of the test they don't actually put the rubber to the road therefore when it is my butt on the line I will rely on my own experience.I also have run static and spin balance for years with good results but after running dynabeads for a year sometimes up to 130 (by accident of course) I will imphatically state that they work just as well. This is fun ,I love a good clean debate Larry S.
Larry Simpson- Number of posts : 1007
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Location : Okmulgee,Ok
Registration date : 2008-08-18
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