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Post  npirtle on Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:59 pm

since going to the darkside (and loving it) I have decided to go double dark as I am now needing a new front tire for my 03 1800 r I was wandering what opinions there were out there as to the best choice of tire and size. All advice would be much appreciated

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Post  spud1800r on Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:32 pm

Yea, I'll second this question...
Ain't happy with the wear on the left side of the 880,
ready to go DDS, front tire is 150/80/R17, tough finding
a rear that size....that is what I want, right? A rear tire
mounted backwards?

anyone??
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Post  nodakbassmaster on Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:24 am

not sure, but I think you have to up a size or two in the front to find options...

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Post  maurice on Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:54 am

I am waiting for responses as well for my 03 c model.

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Post  spud1800r on Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:05 am

nodakbassmaster wrote:not sure, but I think you have to up a size or two in the front to find options...

thanks...didn't want to do that and have to deal with fitment issues....
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Post  eidolon on Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:51 pm

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Post  spud1800r on Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:09 pm

WTF ??? I just checked the mileage...5,500 miles on the 880 and it's got maybe 1k more...f-in junk...
Last Avon Cobra went 17k....thanks for the responces, but can't find that size in a rear...gggrrr

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Post  smokum on Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:37 pm

Same here. 03 R with less than 7000 miles on the 880 wanting to darkside the front too.
I'll keep checkin on the thread and post if I find something...
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Post  eidolon on Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:15 pm

Does it have to be the exact 150/80/17?? If not I find a lot of 150/70/17 Rear tires out there. You loose 15mm in height, .59 Inches, but you get a lot of options. I do not own one so I do not know what the problems with a shorter tire would be... Good Luck in your search.
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Post  spud1800r on Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:28 pm

Interesting...anyone care to enlighten me as to why i can or cannot go down a size? Will it still fit the rim?
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Post  twin1300 on Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:45 am

spud1800r wrote:Interesting...anyone care to enlighten me as to why i can or cannot go down a size? Will it still fit the rim?
thanks, Craig

I went up a size to get the Bridgestone S11 spitfire on my ride and I had no issues! Don't see why not?


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Post  nodakbassmaster on Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:45 am

only thing you are doing is playing a little with the rake and trial, and one tire size won't be noticable for that... you just lose a hair of sidewall and therefor a little extra cushion is might provide.

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Post  spud1800r on Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:42 pm

thanks guys...decisions, decisions...
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Easy to go up a size

Post  bigkid on Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:41 pm

BUT why mount it backward Question ??

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Post  nodakbassmaster on Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:02 am

because then going forward takes miles off your bike!

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sooo YOU DON'T KNOW EITHER ??

Post  bigkid on Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:29 am

Running a GY Triple tread on the back,have to find a compatible tire for the front Very Happy

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Post  eidolon on Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:37 pm

bigkid wrote:BUT why mount it backward Question ??

I wrote this in another section.

This is the way it was explained to me long ago in school. The difference in construction in front and rear motorcycle tires is how they are designed to have force applied to them. A rear tire has torque applied to it to impart power to moving the bike forward. It is designed so the carcass spreads this force over the tire in one direction and it does not stress it so much that it causes the fibers to tear with large amounts of rotational force. The internal construction where the end pieces lap over one another are also unidirectional so they do not rip apart from acceleration.
The front tire is pretty much the opposite. It is designed to absorb the braking force when you apply the front brake which is the exact opposite of the acceleration force. Internal construction is also designed for stress points opposite of the rear ones.
So, when you put a rear tire on the front, like I did a while ago, you "reverse" the direction arrow so you reduce the possibility of the tire failing.

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just ordered front

Post  npirtle on Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:34 pm

I just ordered an Avon roadrider 150/70/17 rear tire and will mount it in regular direction as soon as it comes in. This will be the first double darkside for me but if all goes well, and I'm confident that it will, it will become customary from now on. If the tire mfgs don,t like it they need to step up w/ a tire that will last. With a gytt on the rear and a rear on the front I hope to be good to go for some time. both tires for less than the metz. 880 rear would have cost and been worn out in less than 8000 mi. got to love that!

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Post  spud1800r on Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:36 pm

I ended up getting an Avon Cobra 150/80/17 front. Putting it on next week. NOW I'm having a biotch of a time finding a 205/60/17 CT for the back. Last time I got one I had a bunch to pick from. now theyre pretty scarce. GGRRR Never easy... cus
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Post  npirtle on Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:23 am

Discounttiredirct.com is where I got my gytt. I got the 205/60/17 but if I had it to do over I would have gone w/ the 205/65/ 17 and corrected my speedometer and maybe helped w/ the mpg as well

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Post  spud1800r on Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:16 pm

Mounted a new Hankook Optima H418 today, got it all back together dropped it off the jack...
and the skies opened up...damn, guess the test ride is tomorrow.
Last tire was a Maxxis 205/55, got 23k on it. Wore out the left side, just like a mt...huh Question the Hankook is a 60 series. Wanted to get a bit more clearance. Been scraping the bejesus outta the boards and damn near lost it affraid showin off for killboy last month. Too old to crash...better smarten up .
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Post  spud1800r on Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:00 pm

Well, took the new tire (Hankook H418) for a spin up north this weekend. LOVE it!!
725 miles, 3 hours of rain in the White Mts., the tire was great!
Went to a 60 from a 55, can't tell the difference. Speedo is 6-7 off, think it was 8-9 off before.
Still can scrape the boards at will, even on rain-soaked roads...oops...
Don't know about mileage yet, but thumbs-up on the handling for sure.
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Post  vtxcandyred on Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:10 pm

npirtle wrote:I just ordered an Avon roadrider 150/70/17 rear tire and will mount it in regular direction as soon as it comes in. This will be the first double darkside for me but if all goes well, and I'm confident that it will, it will become customary from now on. If the tire mfgs don,t like it they need to step up w/ a tire that will last. With a gytt on the rear and a rear on the front I hope to be good to go for some time. both tires for less than the metz. 880 rear would have cost and been worn out in less than 8000 mi. got to love that!
HOW is this considered a double dark side????? I though a double dark side would be TWO car tires not a car tire on the rear and a rear motorcycle tire on the front. I don't see the advantage either. The rear tire on every bike I ever owned was a half life compared to the front. Curious minds want to know.
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Post  Doc on Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:28 pm

vtxcandyred wrote:HOW is this considered a double dark side????? I though a double dark side would be TWO car tires not a car tire on the rear and a rear motorcycle tire on the front. I don't see the advantage either. The rear tire on every bike I ever owned was a half life compared to the front. Curious minds want to know.

Double Darkside is the use of a rear motorcycle tire on the front and a car tire on the back. A rear motorcycle tire has deeper tread and more rubber than a front tire, leading to a longer life when used on the front. The tire on the rear on your bike is subjected to a lot more sheer and skidding than the front tire and that is why they wear so much quicker than the front.

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